MYTHBUSTERS. . . The Real Truths About the Deep-V Hull

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Article No. 1 in a series about the Proven Performance of Hunt hulls.  This article addresses several myths published about the deep-V and provides tested truths about the newest generation of deep-V hulls. 

TRUTH:  Today’s deep-vs do not roll any more than flatter bottoms of the same beam.

At-rest or static stability, is largely dependant on vertical center of gravity and waterline beam. Early deep-vs were designed to float with their chines clear of the water for speed, so they were narrow at the waterline, skinny, for more speed.  The Bertram-31 and others of that vintage were light and fast for their time but did roll from chine to chine when at rest in a beam sea.  Today we address that problem by designing each hull to have its chine in the water at rest for about half of its waterline.   This creates a wider beam on the water and and a stable boat.  Today’s deep-vs do not roll any more than flatter bottoms of the same beam.

It’s also important to understand that hard chine boats are generally more stable than round bilged boats. This is because the hard edge of the chine is more resistant to rolling than a nice soft round edge.  A hard chined boat equal in waterline beam to a round bilged boat will be stiffer.

Static stability is only part of the picture however.  Another component in planing boats is dynamic stability. And it is an important one.  The same forces that lift a planing boat above the water also stabilize the boat and counteract rolling.  Displacement boats have no such benefit, thus the need for fin stabilizers and flopper stoppers.  Planing boats gain stability once on plane. They actually are stiffer running at speed. The deep-v has the added advantage due to the deadrise because the planing forces are always working to right the boat. These forces are acting normal to the surface of the hull through the center of lift.  On flat bottomed hulls these forces are acting normal to the bottom also, but do not counteract a roll.

TRUTH:  There is not much difference in speed between well designed planing hull shapes.

MYTH:  “DEEP-VS ARE HARD TO PUSH”This is another old tale that we can surmise comes from the generality that most deep-vs are highly powered to go fast so they use a lot of horsepower.  Any boat trying to go fast requires a lot of power. We do not see much variation in efficiency from hull to hull if we compare boats of similar dimensions and weight. Differences in hull shape, beam, chine shape, struts, rudders, propellers, all those things together do make a difference, but overall, there is not much difference in speed between well designed planing hull shapes.  Note the emphasis.

 

 A few years ago Grady White asked us to design some planing catamarans. We looked at a lot of catamaran hulls and seatrialed many before we designed the Grady cats. We discovered that the same speeds were attained by mono-hulls and catamarans if the weights and horsepower were equal.

 

The major factor in efficiency and speed is weight.  Heavy boats are slower and need more power.  Deadrise has little effect on efficiency when looking at real boats in the water as opposed to theoretical tests.  So many other factors can make a much bigger difference.  Compare for yourselves.  Look at the boat tests in the magazines.  Even if these are not the most scientific, they can be used for comparison.  Compare the fuel efficiency of Hunt Yachts to other boats, and you will see we are as good as or better than most.  Also note that planing hulls don’t have to be any less efficient than displacement hulls.

TRUTH:  Not all Deep-V’s are the same.

The Hunt deep-v is the original, and it also has evolved. While it is still very similar to Ray’s original concept, we have improved it and tailored it for every application from 10 ft. PWCs to 110 ft. Motoryachts.  Our 50 years experience has taught us how to make it better. If you look closely at hulls at a boat show or boatyard you can easily pick out a Hunt hull. Our hulls have more deadrise forward, finer waterlines, robust and sharp edged chines and strips, and generous flare.  Many other hulls carry transom deadrise too far forward giving a harsher ride, let interior accommodations define hull shape above and below the waterline, have soft easily molded chines and strips that are far less effective in knocking down spray and holding the boat steady at sea. 

We put the ride first and the housekeeping second, so on the unpredictable ocean, you will be comfortable and confident at all times, in all seas.

TRUTH:  Less Deadrise is not necessarily better at slower speeds.

Deadrise is less important than other critical charateristics, notably the run and buttocks lines aft, the right propeller/gear ratio match, trim and weight.  Deep-vs make superb displacement boats. With more hull and displacement under the water than flat bottomed boats, they handle better, go straighter with less effort, and can be more stable than traditional displacement hulls due to the hard chine.

HUNT PERFORMANCE SERIES Article #2 The HUNT DEEP V HULL in 2011, a Masterpiece of Performance

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Our 50 years experience has taught us how to make it better.

Hunt Designed Pilot Boat

The Hunt deep-v is the original, and it also has evolved. While it is still very similar to Ray’s original concept, we have improved it and tailored it for every application from 10 ft. PWCs to 110 ft. Motoryachts. If you look closely at hulls at a boat show or boatyard you can easily pick out a Hunt hull. Our hulls have more deadrise forward, finer waterlines, robust and sharp edged chines and strips, and generous flare.  Many other hulls carry transom deadrise too far forward giving a harsher ride, let interior accommodations define hull shape above and below the waterline, have soft easily molded chines and strips that are far less effective in knocking down spray and holding the boat steady at sea.

 

HUNT CHINES, LIFTSTRIPS, SPRAY RAILS

Primarily their job is to shave water off the hull.   A planing boat is trying to out run the ocean, leave it behind, and climb on top, so we want to get the water off the hull quickly. Water attached to the hull means drag and pushing it aside makes waves. Both are wasted energy. A big bow wave may be dramatic but it takes a lot of HP to push water around like that, and the top of that bow wave usually blows back in your face! We want to snuff out bow waves. That is the job of the chine and the lift strips (as we call them) and spray rails. The primary chine is where the topsides meet the bottom; where the hull turns the corner. It defines the running surface. It runs bow to transom. We vary its size and location depending on several factors. We add liftstrips forward on the bottom and run them aft at varying lengths. These strips peel the water off reducing wetted surface cutting skin friction (drag) and redirect the water traveling up the hull to add a lifting component that in turn has two benefits: it helps lift the boat out of the water, and it adds stability. A survey of spray rails at a boat show will turn up every possible shape. Some are so small and round they do nothing. Others are under water all the time, and also do nothing. Some actually are indented into the hull. The water just passes these by. Hunt strips are large and sharp to effectively do their job giving the boat great control, dynamic stability, and a dry ride.

 

HUNT YACHTS’ SURFHUNTER 36; LATEST NEW MODEL OFFERS 3 LAYOUT OPTIONS

Surfhunter 36 Coupe from Hunt Yachts

For extended crusing, the Surfhunter 36 Coupe with three layout options and pod drive

Portsmouth, Rhode Island (USA) — Based on customer demand, Hunt Yachts has added the Surfhunter 36 Coupe to its lines. The Surfhunter 36 Coupe builds on the already proven hull of Hunt’s Harrier 36 to offer more accommodation for extended cruising and is the eleventh model in production by this iconic American brand, all designed by C. Raymond Hunt Associates. In keeping with earlier Hunt models, the Surfhunter 36 Hardtop Coupe is offered with multiple power and drive options, including IPS, shaft drive or waterjet; standard power is a 480 HP Cummins diesel with pod drive which will deliver 28-knot cruise and 34 knots at full throttle.
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While the Hunt 36 Harrier certainly showcases Hunt’s remarkable performance, roughwater comfort and ease of handling, other Hunt customers expressed a desire for more extensive accommodations, the all-weather protection of a coupe’s hardtop and on-deck saloon, and the convenience of a continuous, unbroken level from helm to transom. The Surfhunter 36 Hardtop Coupe provides all these attributes, yet maintains Hunt’s alluring and rakish low profile topsides. Her bridgedeck/cockpit provides seating and lounging for ten people while the helmsman enjoys 360-degree clear view from the Stidd helm chair. A transom door makes boarding especially inviting from the stern platform.
Below, the master stateroom is forward with galley and hanging locker flanking the entry. The galley is fitted with refrigerator, microwave, stove, sink (H&C water standard) and Corian counter; granite is optional. Owners can choose from 3 layouts – master island berth, dinette/v-berth or lounge – all with ample storage for overnight cruising. Aft to starboard, the head features a separate stall shower which includes a seat.

Much has been made by boatbuilders of fuel efficiency, touting hull forms and superiority claims. Fair comparisons with the Hunt-innovative deep-V, however, show that the Surfhunter 36 Hardtop Coupe can deliver its crew from point-A to point-B not only quickly and in comfort but also with exceptionally thrifty use of fuel. As the designers often explain, it is not gallons-per-hour that matters: it is miles-per-gallon. Depending, naturally, on load, fuel consumption is expected to be 2.0 miles per gallon at 22 knots; the Surfhunter 36’s 150-gallon fuel capacity with 10% reserve should then provide a working range in excess of 240 nm.
It is the quality of the ride over those miles which most dramatically separates the Hunt Surfhunter 36 from other similarly sized cruisers. C. Raymond Hunt Associates has been refining the nuances of the deep-V which Ray Hunt, the firm’s founder, developed over 50 years ago, a breakthrough which has informed powerboat design ever since. No designers have the depth of experience possessed by Hunt, so it should be no surprise that Hunt Yachts perform so well across such a wide range of sea conditions. It is those attributes which have led to the vast majority of pilot boats serving major U.S. ports to be Hunt-designed for professional mariners who must go out to meet ships under the worst conditions.

Hunt Yachts are American-made, classic yet modern in style, and built to order on a semi-custom basis in Portsmouth, Rhode Island. Hunt has always encouraged owner personalization and, although a Hunt Yacht is easily identifiable as a Hunt, no two are ever exactly alike.
For additional information on the Hunt Surfhunter 36 Hardtop Coupe, contact Hunt Yachts, 1909 Alden Landing (Melville Marine Complex), Portsmouth, Rhode Island 02871. Tel: 401.324.4201 or go online to www.huntyachts.com where details, specifications, photos and videos can be accessed.

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SURFHUNTER 36 COUPE
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SPECIFICATIONS

Length Overall 36’6” Draft (hull/prop) 3’3”
Beam 11’4” Displacemeent 14,000 lbs
Fuel Capacity 150 US gal Water Capacity 2 x 25 US gal

Standard Power 1 x 480 HP Cummins diesel with: ZF 2800 Pod Drive
Steering ZF electric via wheel and proportional joystick
Controls ZF/Cummins electronic throttle and shift with integrated bowthruster

Speed (standard power) 28 knot cruise 34 knot full throttle

Optional Power 1 x 435 HP Volvo Penta D6 diesel Inboard
with electronic controls
1 x 480 HP Cummins diesel Inboard
with electronic controls

Additional Standard Equipment
Pod Drive: ZF 2800;
Controls: ZF/Cummins electronic throttle and shift with integrated Bow Thruster
Bow Thruster: ZF integrated with POD control joystick

John Burnham, Boat.com on the Hunt 52 IPS

Hunt 52 IPS: What’s the Difference?

How does a good-sized yacht yacht differ when it’s powered by pod drives? I learned a lot on a recent ride aboard an IPS-rigged Hunt 52.

Last summer, I had the chance to ride in Hunt Yachts’ latest 52-footer, the sixth in their semi-custom express-sedan series. The new boat is equipped with Volvo IPS 900s, while Hull No 1, which I’d ridden aboard two years earlier, carried twin CAT C-18s (see “First Ride on the Hunt 52“). Keeping in mind that with help from C. Raymond Hunt Design, each 52 is already customized to the owner’s preference, I wanted to learn how the powerplants might change the nature of the vessel.

Hunt 52 IPS Docking

Read more: http://features.boats.com/boat-content/2012/02/hunt-52-ips-whats-the-difference/#ixzz1mYHQKEGc

Talkin Boats with John Deknatel

 

Soundings Posted on 27 January 2012 Written by Chris Landry

President and owner of C. Raymond Hunt Associates

When you think deep-vee powerboats, the legendary Ray Hunt comes to mind. Think of this man, too: John Deknatel, president and owner of C. Raymond Hunt Associates in New Bedford, Mass.

A Harvard graduate, Deknatel studied architecture and began working for Philip Rhodes in the early 1960s. He hooked up with Hunt as his business partner in 1966. Since then, he has concentrated on planing-hull design and fine-tuning the Hunt deep-vee hull form.   More

Hunt Kicks Off 2012 with 20 New Builds to be Delivered by July 2012

We are working hard to prepare 20 new Hunts ready to deliver between now and July 2012 ranging in size from 25 to 52 feet.  Included in this mix are 12 single inboards (10 gas, 2 diesel); 5 IPS Pod Drives, 1 twin jet, and 1 twin outboard and a wide array of hulls and interiors personalized by their owners that make each one stand out as a semi-custom boat.  Take a look at our most recent delivery, the Hunt 36 with jet drive.

Hunt Yachts Adds New Australian Agent to International Sales Team

 Latest Hire Represents Builder’s New Focus on Asia-Pacific Market

 

QUEENSLAND, AUSTRALIA (December 14, 2011) — Hunt, a leading U.S designer and  builder of luxury classic motor yachts, hard bottom inflatables and express cruisers up to 72’,  has appointed Barry Bailey as the latest addition to its International Sales Team.

 

Based out of Queensland, Australia, Bailey will be the company’s Asia-Pacific regional

representative, concentrating on new and brokerage sales across the company’s model lines – day cruisers, coastal cruisers, center consoles, inflatables, large express sedans and flybridge cruisers. “Based on the global popularity of the Hunt line and our capacity to design and recreational, commercial and military boats, we are excited about focusing in this market,” commented Hunt President Peter VanLancker. “Barry’s experience, and knowledge of the yachting clientele in the region, will be valuable assets to raise our profile, build the Hunt brand, and drive our expansion plans in this growth market.”

 

Bailey is a qualified yacht sales executive with nearly 30 years of experience in the marine

manufacturing and retail industries. As co-founder of Maritime Consultants & Management (MCM) in Hong Kong, Bailey handled large yacht construction and management contracts worldwide. Through MCM, he formed an affiliation with Brunswick Corporation as a sales and marketing consultant, identifying and establishing dealers throughout the Asia-Pacific region for Sea Ray, Boston Whaler and Baja brands. This eventually led to his appointment as the company’s Asia-Pacific Manager of Operations in 2000. Prior to joining Hunt Yachts, Barry spent the last four years handling international sales for Cobalt Boats, Grady White and Sumerset Houseboats.

 

Bailey commented, “I have always worked with prestigious brands, and am excited to be

joining the Hunt sales family. I look forward to presenting the Hunt product lines to my clients, and making inroads for the Hunt brand in this lucrative marketplace.”

 

Originally from Washington State, Bailey has been residing in the Asia-Pacific region since

1988, having settled in Australia in 2000. He is a licensed captain who has successfully

circumnavigated the globe twice on traditional wooden sailing vessels.

 

Bailey will focus on sales of new Hunts and pre-owned yachts through Hunt’s brokerage

Division and will represent the company at major boat shows in the Asia-Pacific region. For more information about the Hunt brand in the Asia-Pacific region, contact Barry Bailey at: barry@huntyachts.com, +61 7 5564 2330, or visit the Australia office at 24 Belmont Park Drive Mudgeeraba, QLD, 4213.

 

 

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A Great Testimonial . . . 25CC Heron and the Hunt Team make new Hunt owners happy

Hunt Yachts 25CC Heron sitting pretty

Hunt Yachts 25CC Heron sitting pretty

Hunt Yachts 25CC Heron sitting pretty

Hunt Yachts 25CC Heron sitting prettyHunt Yachts 25CC Heron sitting pretty

Peter,

I want to tell you how pleased we are with our new baby Heron.   Mary and I could not be happier, and the entire

experience dealing with Hunt and your team had been outstanding.  Richard, Lynne, Stuart, and Ray have all been very responsive and we loved the total customization you firm’s system of building yachts allows.  Mary got the colors she wanted and the stripes where she wanted and the whole boat is a dream come true.

A minor glitch with the XM weather antenna placement was dealt with yesterday when Gene,  a field rep from Garmin in Naples came to troubleshoot the poor reception and fix the problem.  He then spent an hour showing me features of the Garmin Chartplotter 7212 system and gave me a lesson I really appreciated. 

Our boat turns heads here at Boca Grande, and you probably know there are quite a few beautiful yachts here.  I would not be surprised to see more Hunt’s here in the future, and we will be great ambassadors for Hunt here in Florida.

Again, many thanks for an overall enjoyable experience.

Merry Christmas,
Neely and Mary Kountze

Fraternal Twins: Comparing the Hunt designed 53′ Pilot Boat to her recreational twin, the Hunt 52 Express Cruiser

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Fraternal Twins

By Dennis Caprio, Photography by John Bildahl / Published: November 8, 2011

Capt. Bob Mitchell slowed our pilot boat to match the speed of the freighter, the topsides of which rose above our port bow like a nightmare. She rode high in the water, the Plimsoll line that marks her maximum payload well above the surface. As we closed the distance between us, she revealed the spots of rust, scrapes and dents that she had earned in a hard life at sea and in port.

A Great Summer

Happy Captain on Hunt Harrier 25

Just wanted to say what a Great summer we had with our Harrier !! It handled better that i expected and we got continual comments as to how sharp it was. My son and I also were quite impressed with the speed on calmer seas. In short your boat over delivered on our expectations.

2010 Harrier 25 Owner

Hunt 52 Express Cruiser Delivers Fast, Smooth IPS Performance, Easy Joystick Handling and the Luxury of 3 Staterooms

Hunt 52 with IPS and Joystick Control

Hunt 52 Express Cruiser with Joystick Control and Automated Dinghy Garage

She has been receiving rave reviews from all who have been aboard.  Marika, Hunt 52 Express Cruiser #6, arrived as our first IPS Express Cruiser with Joystick Control.  Not only does her performance exceed all expectation in ride, speed and fuel efficiency, but the layout is just perfect for those families who will frequently be cruising with just 2, yet occasionally might need to accommodate more couples or children and grandchildren.

The Hunt 52 Express with Pod (IPS) drive can easily be designed with 3 staterooms.  The spacious salon can be arranged as a living room suite with two barrel chairs, settee and convertible coffee/dinette table.